Samara chats with the groundbreaking psychologist and author of the new book How You Say It: Why You Talk The Way You Do—and What It Says About You, about what Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s changing accent tells us about human nature, how Hugh Laurie betrayed us, and the accent YOU have. As Katherine says, the language you use and the sounds you make are “so critical to feelings of identity, when you speak, you let a little bit of yourself out, for the world to interpret.” And sometimes, all hell breaks loose. From what went down at the trial of Trayvon Martin’s killer to how you yourself may very well judge a foreign accent, this conversation is about what the studies reveal about ourselves, and about what we can do about it. Enjoy this final episode for a while!

Host: Samara Bay

Executive producers: Catherine Burt Cantin & Mark Cantin, Double Vision doublevisionprojects.com

Producers: Samara Bay, Sophie Lichterman and the iHeart team

Theme music: Mark Cantin

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To sign up your kids for a study or learn more about Katherine’s work, visit: dsclab.uchicago.edu

 For Katherine’s book: indiebound.org/book/9780544986558

 For Adrienne Maree Brown’s book: indiebound.org/book/9781849353267

 For the full clip with Rachel Maddow: youtube.com/watch?v=yjP2k3dyq48

 How RBG found her voice: time.com/ruth-bader-ginsburg-supreme-court/

 The linguistics of Rachel Jeantel: ideas.time.com/2013/06/28/rachel-jeantel-explained-linguistically/

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