Corner by corner, inch by inch, at one of the greatest tracks in the world.

Do Ross and Sam use this episode to dissect their love for the pavement of Road America? Does a Wisconsin bear pope eat beer cheese in the Kettle Moraine woods?

(The answer is yes, for the record. Yes to both.)

Welcome to the Upper Midwest, cats and kittens. You will learn where the apexes are, if you don’t already know. But that’s the least interesting part.

This show’s format rotates weekly, because squirrel. We call this format “Walking the Track.”

RELATED TRIVIA: We’re missing Jeff for this one—he and the fine gang at AWA Racing just finished 10th at the 24 Hours of Le Mans! (France, for the record, is very much like Wisconsin—also much cheese and beer. No bear pope, though. The species is native to glaciated America.)

This episode was produced by Mike Perlman.

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It’s Not the Car is a podcast about people and speed. We tell racing stories and leave out the boring parts.

Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.

We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.

New episodes every Tuesday.