Today, John and Shaun get real about control, creative burnout, and what it means to walk away - maybe just for now. From family patterns to personality frameworks, they explore the subtle ways we try to mold the people closest to us, and how that effort can quietly extinguish our own inner spark.

They reflect on how responsibility, relationships, and the pace of adult life can dim our fire - and how human design might offer clues to getting it back. Shaun shares what it means to live life as a Generator, while John questions his Manifestor impulses and tendency to burn out fast.

Also on the table: tattoos, tenderness, and a lot of laughter - plus a quiet, honest wondering: is this the end of the podcast… or just a pause?

It’s grounded, intimate, and full of the kind of clarity that only comes when you stop trying to make something happen - and just let it be.

Mentioned in this episode:

Karen Scholle – Integrative Wellness Coach and Human Design guide. Karen offers a unique approach by integrating Human Design with nervous system regulation, helping individuals align with their true selves. Learn more about her work at karenscholle.com

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Today, John and Shaun get real about trust, control, and what it means to shape a life that doesn’t always follow the plan. From confessions about the past to reflections on what we can and can’t control - careers, relationships, even timing - they navigate what it means to let go and still show up.

Shaun opens up about missing his father, while John shares what it’s like to not miss his. Compliments make things awkward, cheaters raise big questions, and somewhere in the middle, there's a gentle acknowledgment that we’re all just figuring it out.

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Today, John and Shaun get real about attraction, ambiguity, and the old wounds that shape how we love. From body talk and gym-floor preferences to the deeper imprints left by early heartbreak, they explore what drives desire - and what quietly drives us away.

They reflect on confusing signals, self-worth, and how our inner kids still shape our adult relationships - often in ways we don’t notice until it’s too late. It’s funny, honest, and filled with the kind of conversations men don’t usually have out loud.

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