In this conversation, Luke McInnes and Stephen Long explore the complexities of spirituality, identity, and belief. Stephen shares his journey from Christianity, to trying to be a gay Christian, to the Satanic Temple and now to a more agnostic and open-minded perspective. They discuss the nature of belief, the importance of awe in understanding the universe, and the mysteries surrounding religious narratives, particularly the resurrection of Christ. In this conversation, Stephen and Luke delve into various theological and personal topics, including perspectives on early church writings, eschatology, the nature of hell, and the complexities of sexual identity within a religious context. They explore the implications of faith journeys, the understanding of consciousness, and the impact of internalized homophobia on personal development. Stephen and Luke explore the biblical interpretations regarding homosexuality, the nature of faith, and the journey beyond traditional beliefs. They discuss the church's approach to homosexuality, the importance of love and acceptance, and the personal struggles that come with leaving established religious communities. Stephen shares his experiences with the Satanic Temple and reflects on the search for belonging and peace in a world filled with spiritual wanderlust.

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