Afterword: Steve talks with sociologist and Baptist preacher Dr Tony Campolo. In part one Steve reflects on the conclusion to his book, in part two Dr Tony responds.

“This is my conversation with my guest and expert witness Dr. Tony Campolo. Tony is a Professor Emeritus of Eastern University, a sociologist, a theologian, and an extraordinary communicator. We talked together about the afterword of my book: ‘We shape our systems, then they shape us’. I so love talking with Tony because it's absolutely true that I've learned more from Tony about sociology, theology, and about communication, than from any other person on Earth. Tony has been my friend for 40 or more years and why he chose to befriend me I haven't got a clue, but the benefit is all mine. I'm sure you'll enjoy his”

– Steve Chalke

About Dr Tony Campolo

Dr Tony Campolo is an American sociologist, Baptist pastor, author, public speaker and former spiritual advisor to U.S. President Bill Clinton.

About this podcast series

This podcast series, and the accompanying book by Steve Chalke sets out ten tried and tested practical principles for ‘how’ to develop joined up, cost effective, community empowering work, gleaned from the hard-won experience that sit at the heart of the mission of Oasis over the last four decades.

Steve talks to 13 expert witnesses who help him bring his book to life with their own thoughts and lived experiences.

We believe it’s time for a radical reset. It's time for A Manifesto for Hope!

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