People become what they believe: Neglecting the vital conversation about spirituality has cost society dearly. We need the course to create a space for a national conversation about the relationship of spirituality to psychological and social change. In this episode Steve’s guest and expert witness is Chine McDonald, Director of Theos think tank. In part one Steve sets out his tenth principle, in part two Chine responds.

“Chine is a writer and regular contributor to Radio 4's Thought For The Day. She's also the Director of Theos Think Tank, which looks at the relationship between religion, politics, and society. We talk together about Principle 10: People become what they believe. I enjoyed talking with Chine because she understands that principle so deeply. Her work around religion, spirituality, and society is game-changing. Her words in this area have changed me. They've shown me new visions of what I couldn't see before, and it's just brilliant to bring her to you”

– Steve Chalke

About Chine McDonald

Chine McDonald is Director of Theos, the religion and society think tank. Born in Nigeria, she moved to the UK at the age of four, and later studied at Cambridge University before training as a newspaper journalist. Chine is a regular contributor to BBC religion and ethics programmes, including Thought for the Day on Radio 4’s Today programme, the Daily Service, and Prayer for the Day. Chine previously led fundraising and public engagement at international development charity, Christian Aid, and regularly writes and speaks on issues of race and faith. Her second book God is Not a White Man (published in May 2021) was shortlisted for the 2023 Michael Ramsey Prize.

About this podcast series

This podcast series, and the accompanying book by Steve Chalke sets out ten tried and tested practical principles for ‘how’ to develop joined up, cost effective, community empowering work, gleaned from the hard-won experience that sit at the heart of the mission of Oasis over the last four decades.

Steve talks to 13 expert witnesses who help him bring his book to life with their own thoughts and lived experiences.

We believe it’s time for a radical reset. It's time for A Manifesto for Hope!

Steve’s book is available wherever you buy your books but we recommend you buy it from Bookshop.org an online bookshop with a mission to financially support local, independent bookshops.

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The Manifesto for Hope podcast is brought to you by Oasis. Our producer is Peter Kerwood and the sound and mix engineer is Matteo Magariello.

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