L&D leaders in large organizations often cite a lack of time as the main barrier to upskilling and reskilling. While increasing learning hours is important, the CLO Lift team found that time is not the most critical factor. Instead, the quality of learning has equal or greater influence on performance than the quantity of time spent. Rather than focusing solely on hours, business leaders and L&D professionals should emphasize value. This episode explores these insights with Lisa Christensen and Huw Newton-Hill.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• CLO Lift is a community of 20 CLOs who have got together to solve the biggest unresolved challenges in the L&D industry.
• You have to create true value before enough time will be allocated to employee learning.
• If you are not 100% in step with the business the training that you provide will be out of date and not relevant.
• The learning you deliver must genuinely enable people to make progress in their careers.
• L&D needs to stop only being order takers. Work more closely with managers to understand business challenges and be actively involved in finding solutions.
• Certain elements of people´s roles impact the way they behave. If a learning intervention cannot change that element speak up and ask those who can solve that underlying issue to do so.
• Create a learning culture, e.g. include skill acquisition in personal reviews.
• Democratize access to learning.
• Use generative AI to make the training more relevant in every role in every geography.
• Measure progress against actual business objectives.
• Start now.
• Create some small experiments and generate wins. You only need one win to create credibility and act as a springboard.

BEST MOMENTS

“Ensure that the whole body of L&D is in lockstep with the business.”

“The more courage you lean into, the more credibility you build.”

“Be bold and go forth.”

“Any good action today is better than perfect action a month from now.”

Lisa Christensen Bio:

As Director of Learning Design and Innovation at McKinsey & Company, Lisa leads a global team focused on cutting-edge learning solutions. She founded McKinsey’s Learning Research and Innovation Lab and is a recognized thought leader in learning. Lisa is a founding member of CLO Lift and was previously a senior leader at a learning design firm.

Huw Newton-Hill Bio:

Huw leads Attensi’s US office, delivering AI-powered training solutions. A former strategy consultant at BCG, he now drives growth and innovation in L&D, contributing to forums like CLO Lift.

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

ABOUT THE HOST

David James

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa.

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D.

CONTACT METHOD

• Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
• L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
• Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
• L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

At some point or another, we’ve all found ourselves struggling to demonstrate the value of our L&D solutions, wondering if there has been value or whether we’ll find it. For many of us, it’s a constant search. In this episode, Neil John Cunningham unpacks this for us and lets us in on the steps outlined in his most recent book, Numbers & Narratives, to prove the value of our L&D.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Don´t worry about not understanding the data. Someone in the business will just ask them to explain it to you.
• Using data stories to prove the effectiveness of what you are doing is good for you as well as for the business. Most of us are not getting the most out of existing business data.
• Storytelling is incredibly powerful, especially if you back it up with data.
• The Hero´s Journey storytelling framework is often a good way to structure a data story.
• Once you´ve got your hypothesis, where the business is going and where it needs to go, break that down into learning objectives.
• Using data stories appeals to people who are emotionally driven as well as to those who are data driven.
• Understand what commercials are important to the people in your business.
• If you don´t know what the financials are e.g. how much it costs to handle each call talk to the people that do know.
• Be really honest about L&D can offer.
• If you can´t help with a certain issue, be brave enough to say so.
• Keep things simple and succinct. As much as possible use simple, universally understood data.

BEST MOMENTS

'I´d been creating these little data stories, I could prove that what I was doing was having an effect.'

'The way you solve the L&D engagement issue is to solve problems that matter to individuals.'

'Show where L&D can do better.'

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

Neil John Cunningham Bio

Neil is the author of the books, 19 Low-cost Ways to Improve Your L&D Offering; The Strategic Order Taker: A Guide for L&D to be Seen, Heard, and Valued; and his most recent Narratives & Numbers. Neil is an experienced Head of Talent & Learning and following a career of running Learning and Talent functions, he now supports others doing so with his consulting and writing.

You can connect with Neil and follow his work via:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neiljohncunningham/

Website: www.alignlearndo.com

Link to book: https://alignlearndo.com/narratives-and-numbers/

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The Hero´s Journey - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heros-Journey-Joseph-Campbell-Collected/dp/1608681890

ABOUT THE HOST

David James

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa.

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D.

CONTACT METHOD

• Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
• L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
• Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
• L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

• What do 146 L&D professionals care most about?
• What are the killer stats L&D should know about right now?
• Is ‘learning content’ really necessary?
• What questions will be pulled from the cuddly toy’s posterior?

Find out the answers to all these questions and more in this very special live edition of The Learning & Development Podcast with guests Nick Shackleton-Jones and Kenny Temowo.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Understanding how to provide their organisation with greater value and impact is a big concern for L&D professionals.
• 75% of people said their work leader had more of an influence on their mental health than their life partner does.
• Experiential training for leaders enables them to better understand how their behaviour and expectations impact those who work for them.
• The fact that future generations look at work differently is having a huge impact on L&D.
• When people are offered face-to-face training, they feel invested in.
• Gamification isn´t working but simulations are.
• If you can´t see a measurable change (ROI) the chances are you should not be doing it.
• Content has to be carefully crafted to be relevant.

BEST MOMENTS

'I would make sure that we're really involving and holding accountable the leaders.'

'How do we help organizations manage stability, the sense of belonging and psychological safety that we need.'

'Content only matters to you if it's relevant somehow.'

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

ABOUT THE GUESTS

Nick Shackleton-Jones Bio

Nick is a genuine thought-leader in Learning & Development, responsible for initiating shift from ‘courses to resources’ and for the affective context model of learning.

He began his professional life as a psychology lecturer and went on to lead learning functions at Siemens, BBC & BP. He’s now a consultant and author of ‘How People Learn’ (Kogan Page, May 2019) as well as winning several awards for people development strategy, innovation, and learning content, including the Learning & Performance Institute’s Award for Services to the Learning Industry, 2017.

You can follow and contact Nick via:

Twitter: @shackletonjones

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shackletonjones/

Shackleton Consulting: https://shackleton-consulting.com/

Kenny Temowo Bio

Kenny Temowo leads Talent Management and Leadership Development for Netflix UK. He’s spent almost two decades in learning and education, working as a consultant with clients such as the BBC, Vodafone, and Rolls-Royce, as well as leading in-house L&D teams.

You can follow Kenny via:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennytemowo/

ABOUT THE HOST

David James

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa.

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D.

CONTACT METHOD

• Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
• L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
• Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
• L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/